Mass shootings, like Uvalde, are not the main reason that guns have become the leading cause of death among children. Gang wars and day-to-day street crime are the reasons, and the perps and victims are overwhelmingly urban Black people.

"Black teens aged 14-17 commit gun homicide at more than 10x the rate of White + Hispanic teens combined."
https://nypost.com/2022/05/26/blm-is-silent-on-the-top-killer-of-black-kids-gang-violence/

I predict that this demographic of shooters will be very little affected by new, stricter laws.

And their targets are mostly other Black teens:
"Black youth aged 10-17 were killed at 11x the rate of white youth in 2020." ibid

But, "Children under age 10 [are] also mowed down in drive-by shootings." ibid (with 12 examples from 2020)

 

3 dead, 11 wounded in downtown Philadelphia shooting

https://thehill.com/news/ap/ap-u-s-news/police-2-dead-several-wounded-in-philadelphia-shooting/

 

1 dead, 8 injured after shooting at Arizona shopping center

https://thehill.com/news/state-watc...ed-after-shooting-at-arizona-shopping-center/

 

4 dead, 28 injured in four mass shootings on Saturday

https://thehill.com/news/state-watch/3512218-4-dead-28-injured-in-four-mass-shootings-on-saturday/

 

FBI reveals how many active shooters were stopped by citizens (bizpacreview.com)
West Virginia armed citizen stops potential mass shooting – Bearing Arms
National Media Ignore Mass Shooting Prevented by Armed Citizen – The Altar of Deceit (thealterofdeceit.net)
The Armed Citizen® June 1, 2022 | An Official Journal Of The NRA (americanrifleman.org)

 

Really? When was the last mass shooting committed by a black person? Me shootings are overwhelmingly committed by white males.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/

 

re: @stumbler's 3 posts (2 posts up):

The Philadelphia shooting had multiple shooters firing into a crowd; none were caught by police.

The El Paso shooting was at a graduation party of "about 100 teens and young adults"; few details have been released but shell casings from multiple guns were recovered, probably indicating multiple shooters in a targeted attack.

The Phoenix shooting also started at a “large gathering” of roughly 100 people at a mall where a fight broke out and escalated into shooting. Strangely, it was after midnight; how many malls are open after midnight ?

I'll be watching as details come out to see if the cause of any or all of these was kids in gangs!

 

West Virginia armed citizen stops potential mass shooting – Bearing Arms
West Virginia armed citizen stops potential mass shooting
By Tom Knighton | May 30, 2022

However, they also tend to ignore inconvenient facts.

You know what I’m talking about, don’t you? I’m talking about all the mass shootings that never happened because of an armed citizen on the scene who put an end to the threat before it could get the evil ball rolling.

People like this West Virginia woman who stopped what could have become a mass shooting just a day after Uvalde.

Hero woman shoots gunman Dennis Butler dead after he opens fire with AR-15 rifle at party (thesun.co.uk)

​

 

And yet me shooting are overwhelmingly committed by whites...

 

Well, but your question was when was " When was the last mass shooting committed by a black person?"
So Shooter answered your question.
You are welcome.

But, while we're discussing ...............

And males, anon.
Don't forget males.
Virtually every mass murder in history was committed by males.
And over 21.
Virtually every mass murder in history was committed by people over 21.

So tell you what, lets ban all white males over the age of 21 from owning assault rifles.
And while we're at it, lets ban all rifles, and hand guns and ammunition and whatever else biden thinks should be banned.

Cause everyone knows, the despicables don't want to take away our guns, they just want to take away our rights.

 

Poll: Americans overwhelmingly prioritize gun control over ownership rights

Seventy percent of Americans think enacting new gun control laws should take precedence over protecting ownership rights, according to an ABC News/Ipsos poll out Sunday.

Why it matters: The findings indicate widespread support for stricter gun control laws in the wake of mass shootings in Buffalo, New York, Uvalde, Texas, and Tulsa, Oklahoma.

The big picture: On the flip side, 29% of respondents believe protecting the right to own a wide variety of guns should be a higher priority than enacting new gun control laws, the poll suggests .

• The gap between the two positions has widened by 9 points since March 2021, when the same poll found that 66% of people favored new gun control laws, while 34% preferred protecting gun ownership rights.

The results were split along partisan lines, with 90% of Democrats and 75% of independents surveyed prioritizing new gun laws. Fifty-six percent of Republicans in the poll said protecting gun ownership rights takes priority.

• Thirty-five percent of respondents approved of President Biden's handling of gun violence, an increase from when the question was asked in January and December.

State of play: Both parents and children are concerned about gun violence in schools, according to a new CBS News poll released Sunday.

• Among parents of school-aged kids, 72% described themselves as very or somewhat concerned about the possibility gun violence at their children's schools.
• Large majorities of parents of school-aged children described themselves as sad, scared, nervous and angry in the wake of the Uvalde mass shooting at Robb Elementary School.
• Nearly one-third of parents said their children worry "a lot" about gun violence at school, and more than half of the parents surveyed said their children felt scared and sad in the wake of the Uvalde shooting.

Worth noting: Seventy-two percent of respondents in the ABC News/Ipsos poll said they viewed gun violence as extremely or very important in determining their votes in the upcoming midterms.

• Seventy-four percent of those surveyed saw gas prices as extremely or very important, while taxes (67%) and abortion (63%) were also standout issues.

Methodology: This ABC News/Ipsos poll was conducted June 3-4 by Ipsos using the probability-based KnowledgePanel®. The poll is based on a nationally representative probability sample of 542 adults age 18 or older. The margin of sampling error is ±4.8 percentage points at the 95% confidence level, for results based on the entire sample of adults.

This CBS News/YouGov survey was conducted June 1-3 with a nationally representative sample of 2,021 U.S. adults. The margin of sampling error is ±2.6 points at a 95% confidence level.


https://www.axios.com/2022/06/05/gun-control-laws-poll-prioritize

 

Excellent.
All we need to do now is hold a constitutional convention and toss the 2nd amendment out.

 

You can come up with this handful of incidents were someone defended themselves with a gun. When meanwhile there has been more than 300 incidences of gun violence in just the past 72 hours.



https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/last-72-hours

 

The FBI collects data on police and civilians stopping crimes by killing the criminal.
it is here:
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....19/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-15.xls
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....19/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-14.xls

It only extends to 2019.

 

You can take guns from law abiding citizens all you want, It will not be that big of a curve in the statistics, because most of the clowns doing these crimes are criminals that can not legally posses a firearm. . This shit isn't going away.. The nut jobs will find a new way to make the front page of the paper or news.
If they want attention maybe we should give it to them, I'm all for public exactions for crimes like this. I do not get why these assholes do what they do and I really don't much care.
In the end I am willing to bet when they are remembered for their begging and pleading. This will make more of an impact on the up and comers. and I'm not talking injections or the chair, I would send them out with every bit of fear that their victims had when the passed.
A firearm is the tool only, a tool that just about anyone that wants one can get. It's a hell of a lot harder to get a legal gun than it is a stolen one, and way cheaper for a stolen one.
In the end you have cops on one side and criminals on the other, and guess whos in the Middle, the law abiding citizen that is left helpless because chicken shits just wanted to make the bad thing go away. The bad thing is the the murderer that PULL THE TRIGGER. not the gun.

But hey when the guns are gone, you can build a little package for about 20 or 30 bucks that can really do some damage. then what? Ban fertilizers and other things that make your life a little better.

Deal with the PROBLEM (the trigger pullers) not the weapons. Hell if no one wants to deal with these clowns I will volunteer to make sure our kids a safe, and I am willing to bet the next clown that thinks about this crap will at least worry about what he has coming to him in the end.

 

Most of the mass shootings have been committed by "law abiding citizens", at least up to the point where they pulled the trigger.

 

That is because mental illness is not against the law... However, that doesn't mean these people were not breaking laws prior to shooting people. In most of the current cases, many warning signs were ignored....

 

How many of these shooters have not been part the 'nuclear family'...a broken home?...many...that's the answer...many.

How many of these shooters have been witnessed by their peers to have been mentally disturbed?....many...that's the answer...many....

There many variables that have lead up to mass shootings...yet you big government hack fucks still wish to blame the gun.

 

It's not the guns..... there's too many doors.

 

What with all the debate around here one would think that Americans can't agree on solutions.
According to a CBS poll, that isn't the case, at least as far as generally what needs to be done;
CBS News poll: Can mass shootings be prevented, and if so, how? (yahoo.com)

CBS News Poll – June 1-3, 2022
Adults in the U.S.
Sample 2,021 Adults in the U.S.
Margin of Error ±2.6%
1. Generally speaking, do you feel things in America today are going...
Very well . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .5%
Somewhat well . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 18%
Somewhat badly . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 33%
Very badly . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 43%
2. In general, do you think laws covering the sale of guns should be made...
More strict . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 60%
Less strict . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 12%
Kept as they are now . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 28%
3. Which of these are reasons you think the U.S. has not passed stricter gun laws than it currently has? CHECK
ALL THAT APPLY.
Among those who say gun laws should be more strict
Influence from groups like the NRA . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 64%
Money from big donors who are against it . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 64%
Inaction by politicians . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 58%
Some people use incidents of gun violence for political gain . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 39%
It goes against the second amendment . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 21%
Stricter laws don’t work / they don’t prevent gun violence . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 18%
The public doesn’t support it . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 16%
Other issues are more important . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9%
4. Do you favor or oppose a federal law requiring background checks on all potential gun buyers?
Favor . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 81%
Oppose . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 19%
5. Do you favor or oppose a nationwide ban on the AR-15 semi-automatic weapon?
Favor ban . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 62%
Oppose ban . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 38%
6. Do you favor or oppose a federal "red flag" law, that is, a law that allows a court to order the temporary removal
of guns from a person who they deem a potential danger to others or themselves?
Favor red flag law . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 72%
Oppose red flag law . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 28%
7. For states where buying a semi-automatic weapon such as the AR-15 is legal, what should be the minimum
legal age to buy one?
Any age . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5%
Age 16 and over . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3%
Age 18 and over . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 15%
Age 21 and over . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 32%
Age 25 and over . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 45%
8. Do you think gun violence in the following places gets more attention than it should, less than it should, or
about the right amount of attention?
More than
should
Less than
should
Right
amount of
attention
Urban areas 26% 40% 34%
Rural areas 17% 44% 38%
White communities 27% 39% 34%
Racial minority communities 30% 45% 25%
9. Overall, the U.S. would be safer if:
No one had guns . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 19%
Fewer people had guns than do now . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 27%
More people had guns than do now . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 14%
Everyone had guns . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 11%
It doesn’t matter either way . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 28%
10. Do you feel that mass shootings are...
Unfortunately something we have to accept as part of a free society . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .28%
Something we can prevent and stop if we really tried . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 72%
11. Why do you think the U.S. has more mass shootings than many other countries? CHECK ALL THAT APPLY.
It has more availability of guns . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 54%
It has more people with mental health issues . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .47%
It has more racial division . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 37%
The influence of violent movies and video games . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 37%
Its culture and values . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 35%
It has more criminals . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 27%
It’s a more free country . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 24%
12. Please tell me whether you think each of the following would do a lot, some, not much, or nothing at all to
help prevent mass shootings in the U.S.?
A lot Some
Not
much/Nothing
Banning sales of semi-automatic weapons 45% 22% 33%
More background checks before gun purchases 58% 26% 16%
More "red flag" laws to remove guns from dangerous people 52% 28% 20%
Better mental health screening and treatment 59% 30% 11%
More police and armed guards in public places such as schools
and churches 42% 36% 22%
Allowing more law-abiding citizens to carry guns in public 29% 26% 44%
Better enforcement of current gun laws 52% 31% 17%
More faith and religion in people’s lives 34% 25% 41%
13. In the U.S. today, do you think debates about guns are generally influenced by people’s stances on...
Yes No
Group identities, race and culture 65% 35%
Public safety 53% 47%
Constitutional rights 69% 31%
Political partisanship 78% 22%
Direct experience with firearms 47% 53%
17. Do you think the Democrats in Congress have tried to pass legislation or take actions that could stop mass
shootings, or have they not tried?
Have tried . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 52%
Have not tried . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 48%
18. Do you think the Republicans in Congress have tried to pass legislation or take actions that could stop mass
shootings, or have they not tried?
Have tried . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 34%
Have not tried . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 66%
19. Regardless of how you feel about the issue, how likely do you think it is that Congress will pass any laws in
the next few months that will make significant changes to gun policy?
Very likely . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .7%
Somewhat likely . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 24%
Not very likely . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 42%
Not at all likely . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 27%
20. Are you the parent or guardian of a school-age child?
Yes . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 23%
No . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .77%
21. Which of these, if any, do your children say they feel worried about while attending school...?
Among parents of school-age children
A lot Sometimes
Not too
often Never
Gun violence 29% 28% 21% 22%
Bullying 28% 38% 18% 16%
Social pressures 27% 38% 23% 12%
Academic performance 22% 39% 29% 10%
Covid 18% 35% 27% 20%
22. Are you concerned about the possibility of gun violence at your children’s school?
Among parents of school-age children
Yes, very concerned . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 35%
Yes, somewhat concerned . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 37%
No, not very concerned . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 19%
No, not concerned at all . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9%
23. Since the school shooting in Uvalde, Texas have you talked with your children about safety and gun violence
in school, or not?
Among parents of school-age children
Yes . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 56%
No . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .25%
Children too young . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 18%
24. After seeing or hearing about the school shooting in Uvalde, Texas have you personally felt any of these ways
about your children’s well-being:
Among parents of school-age children
Yes No
Scared 67% 33%
Nervous 65% 35%
Angry 65% 35%
Sad 72% 28%
Stressed 65% 35%
25. After seeing or hearing about the school shooting in Uvalde, Texas have any of your children felt:
Among parents of school-age children
Yes No
Scared 52% 48%
Nervous 50% 50%
Angry 47% 53%
Sad 63% 37%
Stressed 48% 52%
26. Do you favor or oppose the following in the schools in your community?
Among parents of school-age children
Favor Oppose
Allowing teachers and school officials to carry guns 56% 44%
Having armed security guards or police in the school 75% 25%
Practicing lockdowns and active shooter drills for students and staff 82% 18%